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A couple of questions were posed on the Wingszone boards regarding the rules after tonight's game.

I think I was able to answer both questions for the poster. Of the two questions, the second he asked was one that I noticed as well, and it was in regards to the 5 minute major that Calgary received late in the game.

Last year, it was 2 goals scored, and the player was released. However, tonight, we scored the first Power Play goal, and Calgary was back to full strength while the player sat out the remainder of the penalty. I have to guess that this is a change made this off-season.

So, since NLL.com is still giving us the 2007 Rulebook, my question to you would be: what major changes to the rules have been made that we should be aware of?

Isn't it based on what the penalty was for? Whether it was assessed to the player/team, or just the player? I know I was getting frustrated having to re-explain several times to my mom why Langtry was still in the box for so long.

There are different categories of penalties (minor, major) and different ways they are assessed, yes. And, yeah, it can be confusing trying to figure out what exactly is going on at times, since of all of us, probably only Scott can make heads or tails of all of it.

I did notice when watching the replay that when the Calgary player got the high stick call, it was a delayed penalty. We scored a goal on that possession, then the player went into the box for 5 minutes.

So, maybe that explains why they were back at full strength after our next goal: that was in effect two goals.

It doesn't help when there are screwups made. I think Langtry was held too long in the box. And there was another point where we lost possession to Calgary because a TV time out should've been called - when the 'Necks double-teamed Carey in front of our bench, the TV time out should have been before that possession started, not after.

Treee was in the box for a 10 min misconduct. My guess is that he mouthed off to the ref or something along those lines. They don't put those pens up on the board cause the team reamins at full strength. It would be nice for Willie to let the fans know what was called though.

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Yeah, I know. I didn't check the times, but it seemed like instead of being in the box for 10 minutes, he was in for more like 12 minutes.



Yeah, unfortunately, he's always been inconsistent with the announcement of penalties.

2 H B.Langtry 2 Unsportsman 14:59
3 H B.Langtry 10 Unsportsman (msc) 0:00

10+2=?

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Fine, fine, I'll go review the times if it'll shut you up.

I'm not a mod or anything, but does this really belong in this section? Govett is going to have a hell of a time sifting through this crap.

Wow! Look what happens when you don't answer a question right away! I take a couple of days with the family for New Year's and BAM!

Let me try this in chunks. First of all I believe the original question about the 5 minute penalty was first and may have already been answered but here is some insight.

In the past, when a penalty is delayed and a goal is scored prior to the stoppage in play, the penalty is recorded but wiped out by the goal, in other words, no time is served, this is still the case. However, when a delayed major (5 minute penalty) was scored on before the stoppage it too was wiped out. The competition committee felt that was wrong, majors are worth two goals during most situations and this should be consistent when a goal is scored on the delay.

Now, when a goal is scored on the delay the offending player is placed in the box with 5 minutes on the clock and is released upon the scoring of what is now determined to be the second goal on the major. This is what happened Saturday night.

Next item...Langtry received a minor penalty and a 10 minute misconduct penalty, he must be in the box for 12 minutes. However, he can't come out of the box after the two minutes because he has the misconduct penalty, so someone else must serve the minor with him. The misconduct is considered to be a personal penalty, technically the team is not penalized so we play at full strength while Langtry is in the box.

When the minor is released the person serving with him enters the floor and the team is full strength once again. At that point the 10 minute penalty begins. This will not be released until the first stoppage of play following the completion of the 10 minutes, (again we are full strength while Langtry serves his personal penalty) this is sometimes the reason that it appears that player is serving longer, you have to wait for the stoppage of play in order to get out of the box, that could take several minutes.

Here is a quick run down of penalties...

Minor penalty...2 minutes served by the offending player, team is short handed by one player, one goal releases penalty.

Coincidental minor penalties...2 minutes to a player from each team at the same time, both players serve their penalties but teams play at full strength.

Major penalty...5 minutes served by offending player, team is short handed, two goals releases penalty, player serves entire 5 minutes but team can be full strength after two goals.

Coincidental major penalties...5 minutes served by both players at the same time, no releases, no goals release, teams are at full strength.

10 minute misconduct penalty...usually issued following a minor for unsportsmanlike conduct if the player persists with the officials or if he shows the officials up in any way.

Game Misconduct penalty...this penalty results in an ejection to the player for the remainder of the current game, there is no time served on this penalty and no shortage of floor strength, this penalty is assessed always in conjunction with another penalty, usually a major, the result is a major and a game misconduct if the infraction was deemed more serious than what a regular major would address. This is what was assessed to McNish for his infraction on Brian Langtry on Saturday. Someone served his 5 minute major penalty and he was ejected.

Gross Misconduct penalty...this penalty is usually only given in situations of physical abuse of an official or a fan. it is an ejection from the game and the League will provide further discipline.

Match penalty...this penalty is worth a 5 minute penalty and an ejection from the game, this is the most severe type of penalty and is dealt with very harshly by the League. It is usually applied when a player, in the opinion of the referee, attempts to injure someone with an otherwise illegal infraction. ie. crosscheck to the head of an opponent deliberately in an effort to decapitate them, that could be a 5 minute major for highsticking and a 5 minute match. someone will serve the major and the match for 10 minutes and the player is ejected.

Next issue...TV Timeouts, mostly occur at the first stoppage of play after the 10 min and 5 min marks of all quarters, except when the play stops for a goal or a penalty. The TV people don't want to kill the momentum of the game after a goal or prior to a power play. Sometimes however, because our game doesn't stop very much we must use the timeouts after goals and penalties because there isn't any time left in a quarter. Even if the timeout had taken place where Dan Carey had the ball next to the bench we would have lost the ball regardless.

Willie usually does announce the penalties very well, but the explanations are sometimes even diffcult to decipher as quickly as he has to announce them. He has gotten pretty good over the years but sometimes he has a curve ball thrown to him as well.

Hopefully that makes at least a little sense.

SG

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That makes perfect sense. And it's fairly easy to remember for down the road... until they change the rule again.



It's probably been said before, but I'll say it again: I don't know what we'd do without you, Steve.

I mean, not only for the Mammoth organization, but your participation here on these forums obviously goes above and beyond your job description, and for that we're forever grateful!