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Steve, I'm curious about the different types of lists that players can be placed upon throughout the season.

The Injured Reserve lists is rather obvious, and I'm aware of the purpose of the PUP list, but it combined with the Draft list.

Would you mind describing the purpose and uses of these others?

I'm not looking for specifics as to each player's situation, but I've included an example of a player on each list, per NLL's transaction page going back to before the season started, just for reference.

Draft/PUP (Jalbert)
Hold Out (Brown)
Protected Player (law)

Most of the inactive player lists are to designate the status of a player for various reasons that mostly have to do with free agency within the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

The active roster is 23 players and up to three practice players.

The designations within the inactive list are as follows:

Injured Reserve
Draft List
Protected Player List
Physically Unable to Perform List
Hold Out List
Retired Player List

The Injured Reserve or IR is where a player is moved if they have sustained an injury that will take longer than three weeks to heal. The placement on that list is always retroactive to the date of the injury. The Player must remain there for at least 21 days and can be replaced on the active 23 man roster. When the player returns after at least 21 days, you must remove a player from the active roster to make room for the injured player.

The Draft List is where a player would go if he is drafted and unable to or doesn't want to play. Nenad Gajic was on this list for San Jose while he was playing hockey, he then decided to play for us. Players will stay on this list for 2 years from the time they are drafted before they can choose to go elsewhere as a free agent. Within the two years they remain the property of the team that drafted them and can sign to play with them anytime.

The Protected Player List are players that are not eligible for unrestricted free agency that decide in the offseason that they are not going to play for their designated team. If they return they can only return to the team that they were on originally. If they qualify for restricted free agency they can try to sign elsewhere but the team that owns their rights has the right to match. This would apply to players that choose not to play but that are NOT under contract with their team but their rights are owned by the team in question. This would apply to Jay Jalbert and Mike Law.

The Physically Unable to Perform List applies only to players that got hurt outside of their duties to the team. For example in the summer time playing for another team or they fell off their roof cleaning leaves out of the gutter. These players are not under contract at the time of the injury and are unable to perform for the team. The team would not lose their rights in this situation.

The Hold Out List is for players that sign a contract with the team and then for one reason or another can't fulfill that committment. Sometimes players sign a contract and then move because of their job and can't play, sometimes they play some games and the situation changes where they can't attend games for the remainder of the season. These players are put on the inactive roster and remain there until such time as they can fulfill their committment or become free agents.

The Retired list is for players that have signed documents suggesting their retirement. They still remain the property of the team in perpetuity until they become eligible for free agency.

Any of these players and practice players can be activated after the roster deadline as long as they are recorded in your system. This is why you will see a great many ancillary roster moves done in the next two days. We have until Thursday to finalize our rosters. The trade deadline is just that, the final deadline where you can trade between teams, the roster deadline is two days later in order to clean up loose ends with any personel.

You will see some teams sign goalies to their practice roster, if a goalie on the active roster is hurt or suspended after the roster deadline you can only activate someone in your system. Most teams that carry only two goalies on the 23 man roster have a goalie on the practice roster.

Hopefully this answers your questions.

SG

Definitely. That was exactly the set of answers I was hoping for. Thanks again!

Hi, Steve. Got another one for you now, and yes, it's due to what's going on in Rochester.

How does the Inactive List work: Is there a minimum or maximum amount of time a player can be placed on this list?

Add one more...

What is "Active Roster - Evaluation Period List"

from NLL transactions page:

"02/10/2009
BUFFALO BANDITS: Placed Pat McCready on the Active Roster - Evaluation Period List from the Protected Player List."

Steve,

With Chicago not being active this year and some players drafted and others not, can you sign any of them for this year or do they just become inactive for this year?

02/19/2009
ROCHESTER KNIGHTHAWKS: Signed Pat Saunders to a two-year contract and placed him on the Active Roster. Placed Gary Gait on the Inactive List.

02/23/2009
ROCHESTER KNIGHTHAWKS: Placed Gary Gait on the Active Roster from the Hold Out List. Released Pat Saunders.

Well, this apparently answers my question in part: there appears to be no minimum time requirement for a list. And this is definitely abuse of the lists, at least imo. Although how Gait went from Inactive to Hold Out would be another question as well.